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the russian influence on assad is real but limited. there is another country which has more influence on assad and it is iran. the real dilemma for the russians would be if we say, okay, let's have this negotiation. let's have russia disabled but iran should be excluded. assad says, well, i am willing to be a part of the negotiations but not without iran. to accept the exclusion of iran would be a difficult concession for putin. my impression is that it is not quite there yet. >> woodruff: given that, again steve heydemann, how is the west looking at all this? >> it's happening very quickly. it's a matter of enormous concern. if the regime were to collapse in the absence of a political settlement, the potential for increased violence, the possibility that the opposition now is taking shape entirely is not yet ready to govern is seen as a very serious consideration in washington. however, the question of whether it would be possible for the u.s., for example, to accept a negotiated process in which assad himself were permitted to escape
the russian influence on assad is real but limited. there is another country which has more influence on assad and it is iran. the real dilemma for the russians would be if we say, okay, let's have this negotiation. let's have russia disabled but iran should be excluded. assad says, well, i am willing to be a part of the negotiations but not without iran. to accept the exclusion of iran would be a difficult concession for putin. my impression is that it is not quite there yet. >>...
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. >> i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command. the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> president obama this week warned the president of syria, bashar al-assad not to use syria's chemical weapons against his own people. rebel syrians are waging an offensive against other syrians, largely assad's government forces. unnamed u.s. officials say that syria has even gone so far as to load the precursor ingredients of sarin, a deadly nerve gas, into the aerial bombs. whether this activity is to protect the chemicals from advancing rebel forces, or for assad to actually use them against rebel forces, is not clear. as secretary of state hillary clinton points out. >> our concerns are that an increasingly desperate assad regime might turn to chemical weapons or might lose control of them to one of the many groups that are now operating within syria. >> syria automatically
. >> i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command. the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> president obama this week warned the president of syria, bashar al-assad not to use syria's chemical weapons against his own people. rebel syrians are waging an offensive against other syrians,...
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their home destroyed by the assad regime and living in a roman byre. among many families in byzantine city. abandoned around 600 a.d. reoccupied in 2012 a.d. living in the remnants of an ancient fallen civilization they get to listen to the ongoing collapse of their own. >> ( translated ): what am i? a terrorist? my little child? may god curse assad's soul. >> ( translated ): he killed his own people. before we say, "yes, bashar." we don't want him. a president doesn't kill his own people. >> reporter: even here they've been bombed. rebels are struggling to answer the rebel threat. driving between villages. we heard the chatter of gunfire- - gunship prowled for targets. a week ago this refugee camp was a target for a mig jet. the regime would stoop to anything. back in roman ruins, there is despair. no reason for hope. they feel ignored and forgotten by the outside world. any faith they have left is in nothing earthly. >> ifill: next, the decline of coral reefs and the connections with rising levels of carbon dioxide. new reports this week show there w
their home destroyed by the assad regime and living in a roman byre. among many families in byzantine city. abandoned around 600 a.d. reoccupied in 2012 a.d. living in the remnants of an ancient fallen civilization they get to listen to the ongoing collapse of their own. >> ( translated ): what am i? a terrorist? my little child? may god curse assad's soul. >> ( translated ): he killed his own people. before we say, "yes, bashar." we don't want him. a president doesn't...
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it is ugly now because of assad. it could get ugly after. >> rose: because we don't know what is coming exactly? >> see, this is the thing that i often would talk about and maybe, maybe it is another reason it was a good time to leave, is because i became over the years, i spent most of my career in cia trying to forecast what people would do, and how things would turn out and when it comes to saying what is going to happen, we have every reason to be very modest about our abilities to do that. because the truth is, we can monitor weapons, we can monitor movements of military forces, but the decision to use them or how to use them is something that often is a mystery to us. and sometimes because the protagonist himself doesn't know walt he is going to do. so i have -- i became very cautious and, again, it may have been one of the reasons i decided to leave, i became very cautious about the use of military force, because the consequences are so unpredictable. maybe it will be a small reaction, but maybe not. and then
it is ugly now because of assad. it could get ugly after. >> rose: because we don't know what is coming exactly? >> see, this is the thing that i often would talk about and maybe, maybe it is another reason it was a good time to leave, is because i became over the years, i spent most of my career in cia trying to forecast what people would do, and how things would turn out and when it comes to saying what is going to happen, we have every reason to be very modest about our abilities...
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this truly delegitimizes the assad regime. it makes assad no longer a chief of state but rather the chief of a sectarian militia. and so this is an important if not historic event, yes. >> ifill: it's one thing to delegitimize assad, but how do you know you're back in the right horse? how do you know this opposition group is not entangled in worse? >> you listen to the street and you listen to the protests and you listen to the different political parties and the political factions that are in syria and they have chosen the syrian national coalition as their representative. the legitimacy of the syrian national coalition does not derive purely from a u.s. recognition or a french recognition but the recognition of the syrian street. and syria has spoken and they want the syrian national council to be their leader so it's only natural for states to accept them as such. >> ifill: is he right that this leads inevitably to armed support? >> i think he's right that the most likely way will this end is through armed struggle on the g
this truly delegitimizes the assad regime. it makes assad no longer a chief of state but rather the chief of a sectarian militia. and so this is an important if not historic event, yes. >> ifill: it's one thing to delegitimize assad, but how do you know you're back in the right horse? how do you know this opposition group is not entangled in worse? >> you listen to the street and you listen to the protests and you listen to the different political parties and the political factions...
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the problem is that assad is there. you can say you should go as many times as you want but as long as he shows no intention of doing so, that would only leave you at the corner. >> woodruff: and just quickly. to those who look at the situation and say russia is one of the obstacles to finding a solution because you will not go your country will not go along with the sanctions required to make an important diplomatic change there. >> no, it would be completely irrelevant. the government has been fighting a war which has been very difficult for the government and is not exactly winning, to put it mildly so that's completely irrelevant. what we need is to put political pressure on both sides and to perceive those in their position who believe that the only way to win is to fight is a dangerous strategy. >> woodruff: finally, mr. ambassador, let me ask you about a development in the united states today i'm sure you're aware that the u.s. ambassador to the united states whom you know and you've worked with has now withdrawn
the problem is that assad is there. you can say you should go as many times as you want but as long as he shows no intention of doing so, that would only leave you at the corner. >> woodruff: and just quickly. to those who look at the situation and say russia is one of the obstacles to finding a solution because you will not go your country will not go along with the sanctions required to make an important diplomatic change there. >> no, it would be completely irrelevant. the...
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with assad and all that, that comes second with those weapons cannot be used. >> we have a treaty that says you cannot use chemical weapons. >> oh. >> it was signed in the 1990's, and a big advocate? joe biden, who said it would have the moral suasion all over the world. treaties are useless. what matters is forced. >> are we -- we -- >> hold on a second. the united states president says something will happen. do you think he cares if it is written on a treaty and a turtle bay? >> treaty? >> i am making a retroactive. . > -- retroactive point. >> making a red line is important. i am not sure with the red line is. i am not sure how you bomb chemical weapons. >> you cannot. >> what form will the united states intervention take? >> there is no use of what brown her -- of a drone here. >> what if the weapons fall into the hands -- >> the real issue is not that assad is going to use them, because he hangs if he does that. the world will not give him refuge in russia or elsewhere the problem is if he is losing control, if he is using air bases, if this stuff in there in the hands of jihadist
with assad and all that, that comes second with those weapons cannot be used. >> we have a treaty that says you cannot use chemical weapons. >> oh. >> it was signed in the 1990's, and a big advocate? joe biden, who said it would have the moral suasion all over the world. treaties are useless. what matters is forced. >> are we -- we -- >> hold on a second. the united states president says something will happen. do you think he cares if it is written on a treaty and...
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there's no question that bashar al-assad's rule is coming to an end. when factly that's going to happen it's impossible to say but sooner rather than later is important because the more time he has the greater the risk that this country will be destroyed. >> brown: fred hof is former special advisor to secretary of state hillary clinton. >> thank you very much. it's been my pleasure, thanks, jeff. >> woodruff: finally tonight, finding ways to boost high school graduation rates. many failing schools and so- called dropout factories in the united states have adopted turnaround models to improve test scores and achievement. in some places that's meant dismissing the principal and half the teaching staff. but one louisiana middle school is among about 40 across the country trying a different approach. ray suarez reports for our american graduate project. >> reporter: at broadmoor middle school in baton rouge, louisiana, early mornings have the feel of a pep rally. all 525 students are greeted every school day by a team of young adults from the national ser
there's no question that bashar al-assad's rule is coming to an end. when factly that's going to happen it's impossible to say but sooner rather than later is important because the more time he has the greater the risk that this country will be destroyed. >> brown: fred hof is former special advisor to secretary of state hillary clinton. >> thank you very much. it's been my pleasure, thanks, jeff. >> woodruff: finally tonight, finding ways to boost high school graduation...
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grave concern that president assad may consider chemical weapons. >> the gunfire has shown why they're asking for no. this time it was some of the wounded who crossed into turkey but artillery and mortar rounds have landed here, killing civilians. this is what nato hopes will deter an increasingly desperate regime. patriot missiles with sophisticated radar that can shoot down any incoming missiles and planes, locking onto a target in seconds with a range of more than 60 miles. nato foreign ministers approved sending the missiles to turkey with the u.s., the netherlands, and germany providing the weapons but the alliance stressed the move was defensive. >> the deployment of patriot missiles will serve as an effective deterrent and that way, diaz with the situation along the syrian-turkish border. >> russia is the one fly in the right man. the foreign minister said he would not block the move. a sign an old ally may be losing patience with president assaad. they hope deploying missiles will help stabilize tensions but the bigger concern is what is happening inside syria itself. specifica
grave concern that president assad may consider chemical weapons. >> the gunfire has shown why they're asking for no. this time it was some of the wounded who crossed into turkey but artillery and mortar rounds have landed here, killing civilians. this is what nato hopes will deter an increasingly desperate regime. patriot missiles with sophisticated radar that can shoot down any incoming missiles and planes, locking onto a target in seconds with a range of more than 60 miles. nato...
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what is going to take make outside bandeau -- to make assad go. are they any closer to that moment? >> it has been hard to get a sense of that because of the lack of the visas. the strain of the war on the government buildings, there are signs of bomb damage. lots of roads are closed. traffic is fine award check points. only a few roads are available. and going out of the city into the suburban areas that are held by the free syrian army. what you can see is a deterioration in the position of the regime and the strain of war as well. will that result in and trying to somehow do a deal? i do not know. but i know that a political deal is the only real choice the syrians have. if they do not get that, they face a long and bloody war. >> today, we have the american and russian foreign ministers meeting with the u.n. envoy to syria at a conference in ireland. russia has been a key player. do you understand whether the russians are getting closer to a western position when it comes to assad's future? >> if they are common their remarks from the meeting did not seem to suggest that they we
what is going to take make outside bandeau -- to make assad go. are they any closer to that moment? >> it has been hard to get a sense of that because of the lack of the visas. the strain of the war on the government buildings, there are signs of bomb damage. lots of roads are closed. traffic is fine award check points. only a few roads are available. and going out of the city into the suburban areas that are held by the free syrian army. what you can see is a deterioration in the...
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probably the best-case scenario is there's some sort of soft landing where assad is offered an exile deal, gets out of the picture. and then you start the retribution massacres and it could turn into something extremely ugly. the hope is russia will get on board and be constructive. the foreign minister said good things but we'll see what russia does. >> what does an intervention looks like? >> if chemical weapons are used, i think it looks a lot like the air strikes in libya. you have to destroy some of those major stockpiles of chemical weapons. if they start to lose control and there are fores that hezbollah might get ahold of them, you might see some special forces on the ground. the idea of chemical weapons, especially for close allies like israel getting into the hands of hezbollah is really frightening to them and us. short of military action, we're going to recognize the opposition next week, hillary clinton is we are sending patriot missiles, batteries for turkey for the border there. there's a lot going on behind the scenes just short of intervening. there was talk about ar
probably the best-case scenario is there's some sort of soft landing where assad is offered an exile deal, gets out of the picture. and then you start the retribution massacres and it could turn into something extremely ugly. the hope is russia will get on board and be constructive. the foreign minister said good things but we'll see what russia does. >> what does an intervention looks like? >> if chemical weapons are used, i think it looks a lot like the air strikes in libya. you...
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i mistakenly said that assad's father used chemical weapons against his own people, which he did not. we apologize for the error. a typhoon blew through the philippines. so far, 270 are dead. mudslides and floods washed away entire villages. rescue crews are still trying to get to some areas. the bbc now reports from manila. >> the human cost is great. current of water came gushing down the mountain, killing and injuring scores of people. people like this family. >> my father is in hospital. my mother and older brother were swept away by the flood water. that is the last time i saw them. my mother said to me, "i love you." >> carried to safety by his cousin, young julia's is facing the fact that most of his immediate family are dead. more than half of the reported casualties are from the same province. most of their crops have been wiped out. power and communications are down, homes and infrastructure destroyed. >> the government in manila is accused of doing too little, too late. -- too little, too late in past disasters. but this time, they are active. people are being sent text mes
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this is not going to do much when it comes to ousting assad. >> that is probably right. it does not affect the balance on the battlefield, but it seems to be moving their way. not as quickly as people would like, but things are moving in their direction. >> reports coming out of serious adjust the groups that are making the most progress against the -- reports coming out of syria suggest the groups that are making the most progress, but they do not want to arm the rebels, but how you stop them from making progress and taking over the country and not the group you want? it is an incredibly tricky position. >> it reminds me of afghanistan. often the best fighters are not the ones that spend their time reading. this is not even a limited to the middle east. civil wars rarely bring to the for the sorts of people that are quiet intellectuals. street fighters and the rest are the most ideologically motivated, so the longer this goes on, it should not surprise anybody the most dynamic element of the opposition is also the most radical. >> isn't an argument for army and the grou
this is not going to do much when it comes to ousting assad. >> that is probably right. it does not affect the balance on the battlefield, but it seems to be moving their way. not as quickly as people would like, but things are moving in their direction. >> reports coming out of serious adjust the groups that are making the most progress against the -- reports coming out of syria suggest the groups that are making the most progress, but they do not want to arm the rebels, but how...
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appeal to help force syrian president bashar al-assad out of office. that word came today in the russian newspaper, "kommersant." it said moscow is convinced assad will not go voluntarily, no matter what pressure is applied. meanwhile, u.s. defense secretary leon panetta said chances of the syrian regime resorting to chemical weapons may be easing. he spoke during a flight to kuwait. we have seen not seen anything new indicating any aggressive steps to move forward in that way, but we continue to monitor it very closely. we continue to make clear to them that they should not under any means make use of these chemical weapons against their own population. >> sreenivasan: also today, the united nations reported the number of syrian refugees fleeing the fighting has grown to more than 500,000, all across the middle east. and inside syria, rebels captured a second major military base near the northern city of aleppo. new details have emerged from south africa on the health of former president nelson mandela. the government announced today that military doc
appeal to help force syrian president bashar al-assad out of office. that word came today in the russian newspaper, "kommersant." it said moscow is convinced assad will not go voluntarily, no matter what pressure is applied. meanwhile, u.s. defense secretary leon panetta said chances of the syrian regime resorting to chemical weapons may be easing. he spoke during a flight to kuwait. we have seen not seen anything new indicating any aggressive steps to move forward in that way, but we...
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still insists that president bashar assad leave power. she spoke today in northern ireland, a day after meeting with russian foreign minister sergei lavrov and the u.n. envoy for syria, lakhdar brahimi. >> we reviewed the very mr. brahimi had his own additional information to contribute about what he is hearing from sources inside syria and both minister lavrov and i committed to support a renewed push by brahimi and his team to work with all the stakeholders in syria to begin a political transition. meanwhile, rebels in syria made the damascus international airport an official battleground. they said it's a legitimate target and they urged civilians to stay clear. fighting near the airport and around the capital city has intensified in the past week. the latest amateur video showed street battles and a car set afire by a rocket attack. the exiled leader of hamas khaled meshaal entered gaza today for the first time. it was, in part, a show of defiance after the militant group's latest clash with israel. we have a report narrated by jonath
still insists that president bashar assad leave power. she spoke today in northern ireland, a day after meeting with russian foreign minister sergei lavrov and the u.n. envoy for syria, lakhdar brahimi. >> we reviewed the very mr. brahimi had his own additional information to contribute about what he is hearing from sources inside syria and both minister lavrov and i committed to support a renewed push by brahimi and his team to work with all the stakeholders in syria to begin a political...
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jonathan, quite a debate about the asylum question for assad. and the question is the question is whether president bashar assad has taken the final decision to as he once said live and die in syria. if he does die, it's most likely to be, of course, at the hands of the rebels when they make their final push into the center of damascus, a push which most experts believe is coming. all whether president assad might now be willing to or trying to seek asylum in some friendly country. that would probably boil down to cuba, ecuador venezuela or russia. u.n. secretary general was asked about the asylum question today he did not seem to favor the idea. listen. >> the united nations must not allow any impunity whoever commits gross violation of human rights must be held accountable and should be brought to justice. >> that sentiment was echoed by officials at the u.s. state department who said there has to be, quote: accountability. the counter argument to that is that perhaps anything that gets assad out of syria and stops the slaughter of civilians m
jonathan, quite a debate about the asylum question for assad. and the question is the question is whether president bashar assad has taken the final decision to as he once said live and die in syria. if he does die, it's most likely to be, of course, at the hands of the rebels when they make their final push into the center of damascus, a push which most experts believe is coming. all whether president assad might now be willing to or trying to seek asylum in some friendly country. that would...
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why are they siding with assad with this? >> the russians are siding with assad. they are trying to create the friendship. they are still trying to create a balance against the united states. it's like who is siding with who at this point. they have a vested interest in the middle east. that's why they are working with him and also let's remember the iranians and russians are working together. they have a relationship. they want to assist us because assad is working with the iranians he is an ally of the iranians and he is defending that philosophy. >> walid if assad gets to the point where he either takes asylum or let's assume he uses the chemical weapons what will happen then. >> first of all depending on the scenario he may use that weapon if he is pushed to as we jewsed ea -- discussed earlier. if he is in damascus and they come to get him he may use it so he can exit and go to the western part of assyria. there's another scenario that may be of great concern. if he and the iranians are coordinating aattack in our interest as a region in a whole to stop the n
why are they siding with assad with this? >> the russians are siding with assad. they are trying to create the friendship. they are still trying to create a balance against the united states. it's like who is siding with who at this point. they have a vested interest in the middle east. that's why they are working with him and also let's remember the iranians and russians are working together. they have a relationship. they want to assist us because assad is working with the iranians he...
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whether assad falls or assad contracts. one of the things they've done is build up the so-called paramilitaries, these isle of wight militias that used to be like games and now have become almost like storm troopers for the regime. with the help of hezbollah to turn into to much worse.bushed militia with the help of the cuts force as well. so they .., but then they looked to other possibilities. i syria began to fragment into various regions controlled by different militias, they have looked to alliances of convenience with groups such as the pkk, the courtesy and working party. they've used the pkk in order to pressure turkey against interference in syria. but this relationship opens the door for future collaboration whereby the ukrainians could create various islands of influence with a number of militias. so you have in the coastal region with a 70 predominate essentially a 70% for iranian and russian support. since i've started thinking about these things, there have been developments there, too because the rebels have
whether assad falls or assad contracts. one of the things they've done is build up the so-called paramilitaries, these isle of wight militias that used to be like games and now have become almost like storm troopers for the regime. with the help of hezbollah to turn into to much worse.bushed militia with the help of the cuts force as well. so they .., but then they looked to other possibilities. i syria began to fragment into various regions controlled by different militias, they have looked to...
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you've actually met president assad. tell me your impression. >> on our way to iraq we had to go -- we were asked to go and stop by to see assad. this was right after, maybe six months after president obama was elected. the whole purpose was to get assad who had the relationship with iran to work with iran to bring them into the tent so that we could work on the palestine israeli issue. we were working at that time with egypt and also with jordan. well, one of the first things he said, america i, your president said i'm the axis of evil. another sheriff. we had another conversation. he thought that was the case. his personality was such that he was low key. we talked for a long period of time. we had to say we had to go. i said to him look. you're in a position to do something in the world, to bring peace. your father is dead, your brother was killed however he was killed, and now you have that relationship. we then talked about helping his people, how this could help his people to bring peace to the area if we could bri
you've actually met president assad. tell me your impression. >> on our way to iraq we had to go -- we were asked to go and stop by to see assad. this was right after, maybe six months after president obama was elected. the whole purpose was to get assad who had the relationship with iran to work with iran to bring them into the tent so that we could work on the palestine israeli issue. we were working at that time with egypt and also with jordan. well, one of the first things he said,...
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bashar al-assad is a key link. efforts to support moderate forces opposing him within syria should be considered now and considered seriously. i have recently called for a more robust u.s. response to the crisis in syria. i believe that a political transition to a government that reflects the will of the syrian people is also in the core security interest of united states and the region. moreover, this change would align with our values of supporting the democratic process and the basic rights and freedom that should be enjoyed by all people, regardless of religion, ethnicity, or gender. over the course of the past 20 months, the aside regime has unleashed a barrage of unspeakable -- assad regime has unleashed a barrage of unspeakable terror across the country. more than 40,000 syrians have been killed, countless have been injured. refugees have surged into neighboring turkey, jordan, lebanon, and iraq, taxing the limits of those countries. assad's escalation of violence has reached a point where fighter jets have
bashar al-assad is a key link. efforts to support moderate forces opposing him within syria should be considered now and considered seriously. i have recently called for a more robust u.s. response to the crisis in syria. i believe that a political transition to a government that reflects the will of the syrian people is also in the core security interest of united states and the region. moreover, this change would align with our values of supporting the democratic process and the basic rights...
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plus, is al assad planning his escape. and encouragement from democrats that want hillary to run for president in 2016. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this hour with the fiscal cliff. it's only a phone call, but it's the most notable movement we have seen. the tax hikes take effect in only 27 days. our senior congressional kor respondespo -- >> today, president obama and john boehner spoke by phone about the fiscal cliff negotiations, but there is no progress. they still have a stand off over the rates. the president still wants to raise rates on the top 2% of americans. the speaker is not moving on that position. this comes on the same day that secretary geithner made it clear in language they have not used before, just how far they're willing to go in the administration to stand by those terms. >> is the administration prepared today go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there is no agreement without those rates going up on the top 2%. and they all get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of
plus, is al assad planning his escape. and encouragement from democrats that want hillary to run for president in 2016. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this hour with the fiscal cliff. it's only a phone call, but it's the most notable movement we have seen. the tax hikes take effect in only 27 days. our senior congressional kor respondespo -- >> today, president obama and john boehner spoke by phone about the fiscal cliff negotiations, but...
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enters the war in syria appears to be up to the dictator bashar al-assad. on monday, david martin reported that the assad regime had given orders to prepare chemical weapons for possible use to put down the revolt that has been raging in that country for more than a year and a half. president obama said the use of these weapons of mass destruction would be totally unacceptable. well, tonight, david has new intelligence to report, and we have three stories on the breaking news in syria. we'll start with martin at the pentagon. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence so far has not detected any signs syria is loading chemical weapons on to aircraft, but defense secretary panetta said it appears the embattled assad regime is preparing to do just that. >> there is no question that we remain very concerned, very concerned that as the opposition advances, in particular on damascus, that the regime might very well consider the use of chemical weapons. >> reporter: monitoring of syrian basis like this one has pekd up evidence engineers have loaded the chemicals which combin
enters the war in syria appears to be up to the dictator bashar al-assad. on monday, david martin reported that the assad regime had given orders to prepare chemical weapons for possible use to put down the revolt that has been raging in that country for more than a year and a half. president obama said the use of these weapons of mass destruction would be totally unacceptable. well, tonight, david has new intelligence to report, and we have three stories on the breaking news in syria. we'll...
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utterly stupid for assad to attack turkey in that way so why are we doing these things that look like they aren't connected to reality unless reality is we're preparing the ground to intervene in syria and what would be the implications if the u.s. were to intervene in syria at some saying the fallout would be far more dramatic than what we saw in iraq would you agree with that. i think that if we were to intervene in a substantial way that is to say we were to put troops on the ground marines soldiers and so forth and we were to do in syria what we began to do in march of two thousand and three in iraq those people are absolutely right in fact i think it would be even worse than iraq i think also that it would be again a back door as a war into iran which is the as you well know the real threat that we've been putting out there for years now and i think we're looking at syria and iran being a combination that we would then take on and you're talking about in my view a conflict that becomes regional and maybe even wider because we've got russia we've got china we've got other players
utterly stupid for assad to attack turkey in that way so why are we doing these things that look like they aren't connected to reality unless reality is we're preparing the ground to intervene in syria and what would be the implications if the u.s. were to intervene in syria at some saying the fallout would be far more dramatic than what we saw in iraq would you agree with that. i think that if we were to intervene in a substantial way that is to say we were to put troops on the ground marines...
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up until now russia focused on maintaining assad in power. looks like they may be open to the possibility much protecting their interests without protecting assad. sandra: let's spin this forward. here are words from the nato secretary-general rasmussen. ayeing quote, urging al-assad to initiate a process to accommodate the legitimate aspirations of the syrian people. reading that i'm not sure exactly what that would entail. how do you see it? >> i see that as nato hoping for something that simply will not happen. the assad family has been in power for quite some time in syria. they have no intentions of leaving peacefully the fact of the matter there may not be an easy out for the assad regime. there may be nowhere for them to fall back to or escape to. because of the country's demographicses because how interwoven warring ethnicities tribes, religions, are, no easy answer for assad to engage from this. while everyone wants a peaceful solution i just don't see that as a viable outcome at this point. in terms of nato they're pushing very hard
up until now russia focused on maintaining assad in power. looks like they may be open to the possibility much protecting their interests without protecting assad. sandra: let's spin this forward. here are words from the nato secretary-general rasmussen. ayeing quote, urging al-assad to initiate a process to accommodate the legitimate aspirations of the syrian people. reading that i'm not sure exactly what that would entail. how do you see it? >> i see that as nato hoping for something...
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assad has vowed to fight to the death. >> pelley: margaret, thank you. when the syrian people first rose up it looked like a mismatch. they had rifles against one of the largest armies in the region. syrian towns have been turned into rubble, and the rebels are in the suburbs of the capital damascus now. it is rare for reporters to reach the war zone, but elizabeth palmer managed to get to the dictatorship's main military hospital to look at the damage being inflicted on assad's army. >> reporter: the tishereen it hospital morgue in northern damascus now receives between 20 and 50 bodies every day. most of them are soldiers. though some civilians do end up here, too. the man in the coffin is adnan said a civil servant who was 30 years old. outside, his mother and brother have just learned that he was killed by a sniper on his way to work. in the hospital's intensive care unit the men can't speak, but their injuries do. inflicted by rocket-propelled gre neighbors bombes, and automatic riflees, they show the anti-regime fighters have, for the most part sim
assad has vowed to fight to the death. >> pelley: margaret, thank you. when the syrian people first rose up it looked like a mismatch. they had rifles against one of the largest armies in the region. syrian towns have been turned into rubble, and the rebels are in the suburbs of the capital damascus now. it is rare for reporters to reach the war zone, but elizabeth palmer managed to get to the dictatorship's main military hospital to look at the damage being inflicted on assad's army....
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and it looks like russia's stedfast support for assad could be nearing its end. the influential russian lawmaker who is tight with vladimir putin said, quote, we have shared and do share the opinion that the existing government in syria should carry out its functions, but time has shown its task is beyond its strength. back in washington, a spokesman for secretary clinton warned of the perils that the syrian people would confront even in a post assad era. >> we know these groups, al-qaeda and others, troy to take advantage of the environment assad has fostered over the last year or so. it is important that they -- that the syrian people get a government out of all of this that is representative of their desires and as separations. they -- aspirations. they don't want to trade one for the other. >> that has been a concern for u.s. policy makers in all of these mideast countries affected by the arab spring. >> what secretary clinton and most others are hoping is president assad will step down. any indication that might happen? >> judging on the pro nuns ments of hi
and it looks like russia's stedfast support for assad could be nearing its end. the influential russian lawmaker who is tight with vladimir putin said, quote, we have shared and do share the opinion that the existing government in syria should carry out its functions, but time has shown its task is beyond its strength. back in washington, a spokesman for secretary clinton warned of the perils that the syrian people would confront even in a post assad era. >> we know these groups, al-qaeda...
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i don't see that the assad regime. will likely use the chemical weapons against his people and how however when it comes to the jihadists attacking him. in the last moments you never know what can happen again you have this but it's important to mention a vital issue here there's you have this are even more dangerous if we got these chemical weapons in their head so if you are told that the assad regime may use this chemical weapons of possibility that the jihadist will use it again of their opponents will be much much more that you have this have no problem to be had people alive you deal with people like bin ladin and there are because of al qaida who have no hesitation to use any form of whip around to really control any place. religious believes and ideology. there's a very tasty pine baking away in asia but still a nice way to confound staff life and later in the program the energy hungry powerhouses india and china are struggling to share our resources with the drones already circling the lucrative. the stunning
i don't see that the assad regime. will likely use the chemical weapons against his people and how however when it comes to the jihadists attacking him. in the last moments you never know what can happen again you have this but it's important to mention a vital issue here there's you have this are even more dangerous if we got these chemical weapons in their head so if you are told that the assad regime may use this chemical weapons of possibility that the jihadist will use it again of their...
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assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people. if i said to say we are certainly planning to. take action if eventuality. we were to occur to american warships are already near the syrian coast with some ten thousand u.s. marines and dozens of fighter jets on board on top of that nato is sending american german and dutch batteries of patriot anti-aircraft missiles to turkey's border with syria meaning hundreds more u.s. and european troops will be deployed to the frontier nato says deploying patriot missiles along syria's borders is a defensive step to prevent syria from attacking turkey i don't think there's any requirement whatsoever for patriot batteries on the ground in turkey again the patriot missiles are designed to really protect primarily against incoming theater ballistic missiles or aircraft the syrians are not going to attack the turks the turks of the most powerful military establishment in the region the largest army in nato intervention in syria will be as bad if not worse than what we experienced in iraq the pentag
assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people. if i said to say we are certainly planning to. take action if eventuality. we were to occur to american warships are already near the syrian coast with some ten thousand u.s. marines and dozens of fighter jets on board on top of that nato is sending american german and dutch batteries of patriot anti-aircraft missiles to turkey's border with syria meaning hundreds more u.s. and european troops will be deployed to the...
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a spokesman for the assad regime says president assad will never leave syria nor will he ever use chemical weapons. they deny even having them. intelligence reports suggests otherwise. this bloody conflict, jon, seems to be entering a new phase where we don't really know what will happen. jon: ominous developments there. conor powell, thank you. jenna: well, it was a storm for the record books. superstorm sandy devastating parts of the east coast. it may have been just a category 1 hurricane, just a category 1 but remember, remember this warning from our very own janice dean? >> a million people could be affected by this storm. so people like, oh, it is a northeast storm. only a category 1. what is the big deal? no, this is an impressive storm. this is not just a tropical system as jenna mentioned. we have basically a hurricane inside a giant nor'easter for the record books. the lowest pressure on record at this latitude. so that is impressive. what pressure means, the lower it goes, the stronger the storm that we are dealing with. jenna: if you remember this but at that time when janice w
a spokesman for the assad regime says president assad will never leave syria nor will he ever use chemical weapons. they deny even having them. intelligence reports suggests otherwise. this bloody conflict, jon, seems to be entering a new phase where we don't really know what will happen. jon: ominous developments there. conor powell, thank you. jenna: well, it was a storm for the record books. superstorm sandy devastating parts of the east coast. it may have been just a category 1 hurricane,...
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assad's fall is looking imminent. syrian officials accuse the west of looking for a pretext to intervene. no international flights have been allowed to land at damascus airport for a week. >>shepard: what is the pentagon doing? are they preparing for the possible of intervention? >>reporter: they are actively planning and expect substantial fighting. there is increasing evidence that some of the shoulder-fired missiles that the c.i.a. was trying to track down in libya, and f-16's may have migrated to syria bringing down a helicopter and fighter jet last week. reports that save gas has been loaded on to canisters, the united states set up a task force at a base north of jordan, in amman, that included 150 special forces working with the military of jordan to secure assad's chemical weapons. >> the world is watching. the president of the united states has made very clear there will be consequences if the assad regime makes a tell mistake by using the chemical weapons on their own people. >>reporter: the pentagon is awar
assad's fall is looking imminent. syrian officials accuse the west of looking for a pretext to intervene. no international flights have been allowed to land at damascus airport for a week. >>shepard: what is the pentagon doing? are they preparing for the possible of intervention? >>reporter: they are actively planning and expect substantial fighting. there is increasing evidence that some of the shoulder-fired missiles that the c.i.a. was trying to track down in libya, and f-16's...
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preferring to focus on the wrongs committed by the assad regime alone the u.s. is also ramping up the rhetoric about the possibility of the assad government using chemical weapons against civilians something that damascus says would be suicidal on the other hand many rebels are not averse to the idea of suicide in the name of what they call holy war militants have recently taken control of a toxic chemical plant in the country's second city of aleppo a video was uploaded to youtube showing them testing chemical weapons on rabbits we could not independently verify the authenticity of the footage for them although you will die like these two rabbits in its own words the assad government is fighting terrorists that battle has claimed thousands of innocent lives the measures the syrian government was ordered to have been widely criticized but there's that crisis mean the world should keep their eyes shocked at who's actually fighting for power in syria now in washington i'm going to check out. more of this story talk to neil clark he's a contributor for britain's gu
preferring to focus on the wrongs committed by the assad regime alone the u.s. is also ramping up the rhetoric about the possibility of the assad government using chemical weapons against civilians something that damascus says would be suicidal on the other hand many rebels are not averse to the idea of suicide in the name of what they call holy war militants have recently taken control of a toxic chemical plant in the country's second city of aleppo a video was uploaded to youtube showing them...